Re: A Question for g0at and other atheists

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anniegrrrltooblonde ::: Favorites Get a hot date at > WEBFLINGTODAY . COM < 07-08-27 17:03:49 _____________________________________________________
roboramma ::: Favorites I don't see it - either there is a "first cause" which certainly shouldn't be called god by any definition that anyone would accept, or there isn't, in which case no god either. 07-08-20 12:42:53 _____________________________________________________
stevecc628 ::: Favorites 4) The existence of moral values and personal beings in the universe indicate that the "beginner" is morally good and personal. 5) Conclusion: We end up with a creator of the universe that is non-physical, powerful, intelligent, morally good, and personal --- i.e., we end up with God. I basically stole these arguments from William Lane Craig, a Christian philosopher, but I tried to put them in my own words. That's it for now. 07-08-19 21:27:42 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites 4, nope it just means there is universally preffered behavior. 07-08-21 14:26:58 _____________________________________________________
stevecc628 ::: Favorites Yes, I catch your drift. But do you really think so? Do you really think that the statement "people should act justly towards one another" is merely a universal preference? Actually, its not that much of a universal preference since it's rarely followed in this world. But don't we sort of know that it is a behavioral mandate that is imposed on us? And don't we know that choosing love over malice is not the same as choosing chocolate over butter pecan? Anyway, thanks for the feedback. 07-08-21 18:44:48 _____________________________________________________
stevecc628 ::: Favorites Okay, here goes: 1) The physical universe had a beginning. If time goes back forever, how did we ever get here? Also, current cosmology suggests a beginning to the universe at the Big Bang. 2) Things that have a beginning have a "beginner". Things generally don't pop into being out of nothing. 3) Given the physical qualities of the universe, the beginner must have extraordinary power and intelligence. -- I will continue in the next post due to space limitations. 07-08-19 21:05:54 _____________________________________________________
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g0at ::: Favorites so the beginner doesn't need a beginning? 07-08-19 21:17:19 _____________________________________________________
stevecc628 ::: Favorites Nope, not if he's eternal. I never said that "everything" needs a beginning. Physical things do, because of the problem with infinity. And by the way, youtube is not letting me post the rest of my argument - frustrating!! lol. I do think you have some very interesting and thought provoking videos. Thanks. I will keep trying to post. 07-08-19 21:26:49 _____________________________________________________
052leise ::: Favorites believing in god makes you feel like you will live an eternal life in heaven instead of ceasing to exist when you die.. pretty good reason 07-08-10 19:45:33 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites " Makes you feel like"..... No, if you understand that your beliefs have no affect on reality, you will not feel better believing in fairy tales. 07-08-18 18:28:16 _____________________________________________________
052leise ::: Favorites it depends on how you define the word reason. i think no one would admit that the thing i wrote earlier is a reason for them to believe in god, but it may very well be a reason they believe in god. i know i'm reaching with that one.. you were asking for someone to give a reason, and this is not one you can accept consciously. 07-08-18 19:08:06 _____________________________________________________
roboramma ::: Favorites How do you know that "jesus died and rose again"? 07-08-07 11:25:32 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites Don't you know rob, there is an empty tomb! lol Cause if jesus didn't exist their would be a full tomb! ... wait... 07-08-07 13:15:02 _____________________________________________________
jdvhal ::: Favorites That Christianity survived is strong evidence. 07-08-18 13:52:40 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites So has islam 07-08-18 18:26:02 _____________________________________________________
jdvhal ::: Favorites Yes so has Islam...? I am not convinced Muhammed was lying. However whether what he saw was from God or not is more the question. The very kyrigma of Christianity, which is that Jesus died and rose again, remains intact. 07-08-18 19:28:19 _____________________________________________________
roboramma ::: Favorites How about hinduism, buddhism, jainism, sikhism, etc.? Are they all correct? If not, how is their survival any less evidence that they are correct than the survival of christianity? Aristotle's cosmology survived for something like 2000 years as well - was that correct? 07-08-20 12:37:45 _____________________________________________________
jdvhal ::: Favorites "Jesus does not give recipes that show the way to God as other teachers of religion do. He is himself the way." Barth. If you look at the other religions then you will see there is a single lie/misunderstanding by one person that enables the religion to develop. Christianity rests on the claim of many people that Jesus rose again. Also to compare something like Buddhism to Christianity is just ignorance. 07-08-20 13:15:41 _____________________________________________________
roboramma ::: Favorites So your evidence that jesus died and rose again is that some people say so? Which people? Why do you believe them? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 07-08-20 21:40:34 _____________________________________________________
jdvhal ::: Favorites Which people? People who were willing to die for those claims. 07-08-21 06:13:16 _____________________________________________________